Discusión: betfair - nueva tomadura del pelo - set. 2008

Originalmente publicado por josel

Estos de betfair ya no saben de dónde sacar dinero... hasta hace tiempo creo recordar que si ganabas en una apuesta hasta 0,20 € tenían la norma de que no había comisión, porque el beneficio era muy bajo.

Pues hace unos días en un back de éstos a 1,01 me aceptaron tan poco que gané 0,11 € y betfair me ha cobrado 0,01 € de comisionesas Me da risa cada vez que veo el cargo de la comisión. ¡Que atraco, es casi un 10%!

Salu2

es verdad josel
Ahora si no quieres pagar comisiones tus ganancias máximas tienen que ser 0,09€, a partir de ese valor ya pagas

IOC, pide tu extracto a premiumcharges@betfair.com

Allí ya verás tu posibles costes con esa nueva tasa

Bueno, decir que ya recebí respuesta al email donde preguntaba sobre la bonificación y resulta que monster tenía razón.

Aquí os dejo:

As the £1000.00 allowance (or currency equivalent) is a rolling 60 week allowance, in weeks 1 to 10 (for example) if you used up £100.00 in each of the ten weeks - £100 in week , 2 , 3 and so on up to week 10 - then by week 11 your allowance would be used up.

It wouldn't be until week 61 when you would get £100 back as you had ‘used up’ £900 in the previous 60 weeks. Accordingly you will need to count back 60 weeks checking if you have had used your £1000 allowance in that period.


It is our intention to provide this data, in an easily accessible way, on the ‘My Account’ of the Betfair site by early December so you can monitor the situation for yourself.

resultado, la bonificacion de 1000£ no se renueva cada semana.

Y consiguen ver lo de deciembre?
O sea, "vamos cobrar ya las tasas a partir del 22 setiembre pero sólo vamos a poner los datos en tu cuenta en deciembre cuando ya tengamos mucho dinero forrado con esto"

Todo sigue igual...

Betfair stand firm on new charges

• Online exchange plays down talk of PR debacle
• Rival companies target customers hit by levy




Betfair, the internet's dominant betting exchange, yesterday denied a report that it is preparing to scrap a controversial new charge to be paid by its most consistently successful clients. "Contrary to reports, there was no crisis board meeting today," Tony Calvin, a Betfair spokesman, said, "nor was one ever planned."
However, the firm refused to offer any further comment on the charge, or the precise reasons why it has been introduced. A question-and-answer session conducted on the forum section of its website last week remains Betfair's only public comment on the new charge.
The premium charge, which will be levied for the first time later this month, will target clients who are winning significant sums annually while paying relatively little commission to the exchange. Betfair insists this will be an average of 600 clients per week, while about 2,000 can expect to pay the charge at some point each year.
In particular, this will affect clients who "trade" positions - that is, both backing and laying to guarantee a profit in a particular market - but could also snare some backers who have an exceptionally good strike-rate with their bets.
While suggestions of a "crisis meeting" appear to be wide of the mark, the announcement of the premium charge has been widely seen as a PR debacle for the exchange, not least because it has made so little attempt to explain its reasoning.
Betfair's competitors, including traditional bookies and its much smaller rivals in the exchange market, have also been quick to take advantage, with promises that they will not levy any unexpected taxes on winnings. The new charge has fuelled speculation that the business is being fattened up for a float, which would allow Betfair's founders to cash in shares worth many millions.
Another possibility, though, is that Betfair is concerned that a small number of its customers are making so much money from the exchange that the situation is unsustainable and they will, at some stage, effectively run out of losers.
On this basis, the premium charge can be seen as the price that consistent winners must pay for an ongoing supply of losers, though if this is the case, a clear statement of the fact is unlikely to do much to attract new business.
Zarkava, the 7-4 favourite for the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe following her impressive last-to-first victory in Sunday's Prix Vermeille at Longchamp, is now officially joint top-rated by Timeform in their ratings for next month's race.
Simon Walker, Timeform's editorial manager, said yesterday that Zarkava is rated 141p - suggesting further improvement is likely - while Duke Of Marmalade, a doubtful runner, is rated 141, with New Approach and Papal Bull both on 140.
"Zarkava has obviously still got untapped talent," Walker said. "She was visually very impressive, but the [strong] gallop undoubtedly aided her in coming from behind, while her tendency to start slowly would be something of a concern with the Arc in mind."

Horse racing: Betfair stand firm on new charges | Sport | The Guardian

Originalmente publicado por potas

El mercado de UK es muy grande, pero el mercado internacional no puede ser despreciado tan alegremente, señores de la competencia.

Aquí dejo el email que he mandado a helpdesk@betdaq.com y marketing@betdaq.com por si alguien quiere enviarlo también a ver si se van enterando que somos un buen puñado de gente y hacen algo...

"Hi Betdaq,
I would like you to notice that there are a lot of Betfair users ( around the world, not just Spanish, there are a lot of english too ) that they are really dissatisfied with their new changes and it behaviour in some aspects.

We are a big community and we want to leave this tricky bookie, we hate Betfair more and more and we just need a new p2p bookie like yours to go. But of course we would need you to improve in some aspects, like including Spanish in your languages, a good welcome bonus ( to attract the big public ) and perharps a bit of advertising to make your bookie more known because the only problem for a p2p bookie is that you need a lot of users to create markets and to set good odds, like it happens on Betfair.

It is your great opportunity, don´t lose it.

Regards"

Dottier, sí, por eso preguntaba exactamente si los 260 y pico euros de premium charge que tengo, son la tasa premium que hubiera pagado durante las 60 últimas semanas en caso de haber estado vigente dicha tasa durante ese periodo, o qué.

yo tambien lo hice creo que el año pasado, pero tal como potas, sigo esperando ese email.

Mientras espero bueno, al menos ya tendremos la comision fija de 2% hasta final del año

Originalmente publicado por IamTheStig

Hola, a ver si me podeis aclarar esto. He solicitado mi extracto a Betfair, y es este:

LAST 60 WEEKS(394-453)

Markets 1.837
Gross PL £28.509,41
Commission Paid £7.015,61
Commission Generated £5.896,76
Transaction & Data Charges £0,00
Premium Charges (exc. 453) £268,93
Total Charges£6.165,69
Total Charges% 21,63 %
Max possible Premium Charge £-463,81

bueno, vamos por partes.

Si sigues con los "total charges" superiores a los 20% no pagas nada, pero tal como ya sabemos en esos "total charges" tambien estan las comisiones implicitas (de tus apuestas perdidas) y esos costes son costes dificiles de calcular ya que segun ellos la formula es:

Tus perdidas * média de comision del mercado = comision implicita

Tu sabes cual es tu comision pero no sabes si la mayoria del mercado tenia comisiones de 2% o 3,7%, etc, así este valor nunca consigue calcularlo tu mismo.

Ahora otra cosa:

betfair te dá una bonificación de 1000£ para los cargos de la tasa premium.
En ese extracto que has solicitado tu bonificacion de la premium para la semana siguiente es de:

1000£ - 268,93£ = 731,07£

Así, si sigues al mismo ritmo de ganancias y pérdidas tienes más o menos más 3 semanas en que no pagarías la tasa premium hasta agotar esos 1000£.